In fantasy, the shortstop position has always been extremely shallow. But in recent years, guys like Jimmy Rollins, Derek Jeter, and Jose Reyes has made it so everybody has at least gotten the opportunity to get a top tier shortstop. However, that is not the case in 2010 because there is only top tier shortstop and you're probably not going to be able to get him- Hanley Ramirez.
The problem is every shortstop that's going to be taken after Hanley has his flaws. Sure, by the time you take Ryan Theriot or Christian Guzman (which I did as like my last pick in the draft last year), then you know what you're expecting. But it's the shortstops that are being drafted as starters that are the problems. Sure, all the top 8 or so starters being drafted having great upside, but you're taking on a huge risk with them as well- especially for the early draft position you're going to have to take them at.
So here's a list of the top shortstops you're going to have to take if you want a "top tier" shortstop
2) Troy Tulowitzki (15.97 ADP)
As much as TBO wants to be naked with Tulo and do dirty things to him, and even though I will probably draft him, there's a lot of flaws in drafting Tulo. Although Tulo is young, I think people forget that Tulo only has three years major league experience, and his 2008 season was really bad. Sure, Tulo's the least risky because he's always shown speed, power, and a high batting average. But you do take on a little risk that his 2009 numbers regress closer to his 2008 numbers.
3) Jimmy Rollins (21.81 ADP)
Rollins' fantasy value has decreased tremendously from his "MVP" season a few years back. While he made great strides in the second half of last season from his awful first, he still is nowhere near even being the third best shortstop for next year. His batting average has steadily decreased the past three years, his stolen base numbers took a missive hit from 47 in '08 to 31 in '09 (also his SPD score has steadily declined the past three years), his ISO has taken missive hits (.235 in '07 to .160 in '08 to .173 in '09), and his home runs have taken massive hits (30 HR in '07, 11 in '08, 21 in '09; 10.7 HR/FB% in '07, 7.2 HR/FB% in '08, 8.5% in '09.)
The point is, while Rollins has improved from is dreadful 2008 campaign, he's not the same MVP Jimmy Rollins that you might think he is.
4) Jose Reyes (23.18 ADP)
Guy was a lock for 60+ stolen bases and a high average- until he suffered a leg injury that needed major surgery. As DME has shared with me, it's risky as hell taking a guy, who derives most of his value from steals, that had a injury that directly affects how he steals bases.
5) Derek Jeter (45.37)
Jeter will get the runs you want from him because he bats second in probably the best line up in baseball. And he'll get you about a .320 batting average like clockwork. But you can get runs and average essentially anywhere, you want Jeter to get you the 30+ swipes and the 15+ dingers like he got you last year. The risk you take on with Jeter, first of all, is that Jeter is 35 years old going on 36. There is a huge risk that Jeter gets injured. But that's not even the biggest reason Jeter scares, the biggest reason is that Jeter's numbers ballooned last year from his previous two years. His home run numbers the past three years: 12, 11, 18. His SB numbers from the past three years: 15, 11, 30. You can say Jeter's home run numbers increased because of New Yankee Stadium, but it takes at least three years to truly determine the impact a stadium has on players. Plus, the new park doesn't count for the tremendous jump he took with this stolen bags. When a player's numbers spikes this much with a player as old as Jeter, it worries me that he'll probably regress in 2010.
6) Ben Zobrist (55.55 ADP)
Now if you can truly get Zobrist this late, you probably got him where he should be ranked. But I have a feeling that MockDraftCentral has Zobrist this low because he only has 2B eligibility and he'll probably have 2B, SS, and OF eligibility in your league and thus will be ranked higher. Thus you will have to take him higher than you probably want to. The risk you take with Zobrist, is that, in all likelihood, Zobrist had a career year last year. But you're drafting him like he's going to put up 2009 numbers, when you should be taking him a round later or so because of his dipped, 2010 numbers.
7) Jason Bartlett (104.54)
For where you're going to take Bartlett realistically, you're not taking on as much risk as you are with Jeter or Reyes, but there's some risk nonetheless. It's the risk that Bartlett will not sustain his 2009 value. Before last year, Bartlett has only hit above .286 once (.309 in 2006), never hit above 5 home runs, never stolen above 23 bags, and never hit in over 43 guys before, and never scored above 75 runs (all in '07). Sure, it helps that Bartlett plays for a much better offense in Tampa Bay than he ever did in Minnesota, but I doubt that his stolen bags and home runs stay on pace or exceed his 2009 numbers.
The guys after Bartlett are Alexei Ramirez (108.96 ADP) and Stephen Drew (113.90 ADP) so if you draft those guys as your starters, you already know the downside you're probably going to get from them anyway.
Let me just clarify before I go, I'm not saying that all these shortstops will be bad. Jose Reyes' leg could be completely healed and he could get you 70+ steals. New Yankee Stadium might help Jeter go 15/30 again. Tulo could have another amazing year and his down year could just have been a fluke. But what I am saying is that you're taking on a lot of risk to get that shortstops upside, and that kind of sucks considering how early you're going to have to take these shortstops. Because you want your first seven picks or so to be almost guarantees and you're not going to get that with these SS.
Also, Hanley could get injured on the second game of the season so, you never know.
5 comments:
I think this is funny you brought this up. DME and myself have been discussing who is the better fantasy pick, Jimmy Rollins or Deker Jeter.
Literally an hour after I wrote this post, DME walks into the apartment and talks to me about this.
I think the upside is greater with Rollins but you take on less risk with Jeter.
I think the key is batting average. Rollins could KILL your batting average while Jeter is guaranteed to help it. Plus I think Jeter is a lock to get more R and RBI than Rollins. However, Rollins could easily get more SB and HR- but he's not a lock to do so.
I think Rollins is the better fantasy pick for this season. Jeter obviously had the better career, but at this stage in their career's I think Jeter is on the downside and Rollins only has potential.
As you said Jeter is more consistent and has less risk than Rollins. The thing is Rollins doesn't have that much more risk. The only category that Jeter will beat Rollins in for sure is Average. Rollins is a streaky average hitter so it could be as much as 40 points. Rollins should beat Jeter in home runs and stolen bases by a lot, and the runs should be a wash.
Jeter has been better in his career, but as of the last three years you may be surprised to see who has been better. I just compared Rollins to Jeter on their averages for the last three years. They are pretty similar ant not much difference. I just think Rollins gives you more upside with little more risk than Jeter.
Three year Comparisons
Name Runs HR RBI SB AVG
Jeter 99 13 69 18 .319
Rollins105 20 76 39 .275
As you can see over the last three years Rollins has scored more runs, hit many more home runs, steal twice as many bases, and has more RBI's. Jeter has only beat Rollins in average. This shows that Jeter was once great and in his career, and better than Rollins, but as of late (last three seasons) Jeter is on the decline and Rollins coming into his prime and best days ahead of him. Thus, at this point in their careers, Rollins is better. I was surprised to see that Rollins has had a better last three years shown by his averages for that span. So the better pick this year is Rollins.
The problem I have with your analysis is that you included both player's season from three years ago- which included Rollins' "MVP" season. Ask any Rollins whether they liked their choice to draft Rollins in the past two years? Rollins is past his peak which is what concerns me.
Rollins has been too inconsistent/ shitty the past two years to make me him want him.
Again, the post is not which player will be better, but which SS poses the most risk to you. As I said before, Rollins' upside is much better than Jeter's, but because Jeter has been playing for so long- his consistency makes him the safer choice.
If you stuck with Jimmy Rollins all throughout last year, then more power to you. But he had a .229 BA with 7 (granted 16 SB), but my guess is that this is not what you expected out of your first round pick, and you sold low.
Ian Kinsler was my first round pick and I wasn't complaining too much because he went 31/31, but his BA still hurt. BA makes a big difference because you can always get SB and HR in free agency in your lacking them throughout the season. But getting a guy with a high BA to help out your team won't even that out.
Hey, if you want/ draft Rollins, be my guest because you won't see me trying to snipe him. I personally like Jeter more (damn that pains me to say) and I can see why you would like Rollins, but again, Rollins is the riskier pick and it sucks to draft a guy within the first 7/8 rounds with that much risk attached to him
My analysis did only include the last three years. The point of looking at the last three years instead of the entire player’s career is because how they performed lately (the last three years) should be a better prediction of how they will perform this year. Jeter is a great shortstop and has been his entire career. He is getting older and is not as good as he used to be in my opinion. He is still good, but not as good as he was earlier on in his career. Thus, his career statics would show him better than he is now. That is why the last few years are a better prediction of how they will perform this year. The chances of a player performing like he did several years ago when he was in his prime is unlikely. It still can happen, but you never know in fantasy, so that’s why we play it.
I understand that Rollin’s last three years include his “MVP” season where he was amazing and had a career season which he will likely never repeat again. With that said, that season was only three years removed. Some of Jeter’s best season was much longer ago than that. There is a better chance for Rollins to come closer to his “MVP” season than Jeter coming close to his best season. I want to make it clear that I don’t think Rollins will repeat his “MVP” season in 2010 or be close, but I think his numbers will only improve from 2009, and he may be closer to his “MVP” season in a few fantasy scoring categories than he was in 2009.
Rollins and Jeter are both past their peak, so I doubt Rollins will have a similar season compared to his “MVP” season, but he is still a very good fantasy option. The point of your article was to show that shortstop is “one player deep”. I like Troy Tulowitzki, but agree with you that him and everyone else behind Hanley Ramirez has flaws. Thus, with SS only being one player deep, you have look at the best possible players after him.
I doubt I will be able to get Hanley Ramirez in any of my leagues unless I get lucky and get a top pick. Thus, I am looking to draft Rollins because he is a real possibility to get and in my opinion the best of the rest after Hanley and Tulowitzki. Rollins is 32, but he hasn’t showed any signs of slowing down yet. He should continue to score many runs because he has two of the best players at their positions in Utley and Howard batting behind him to knock him in. His speed hasn’t seemed to decline at all yet so he can still steal 40 plus bases and his power still seem there. Thus, Rollins is one of the best balanced players you can get in the second round, especially one of the best players at SS after Tulowitzki and Hanley.
Jeter is consistent, but at his best will only help you in two to three categories. His stolen bases aren’t that good, especially compared to Rollins. Rollins should help in everything except batting average. His batting average isn’t that bad though, but he won’t help with it. He won’t hurt you either.
As I said in my original argument, Rollins does have risk. As you pointed out he will be “inconsistent/shitty” at times, but if you stick with him at the end of the season he will help you out in every standard category except batting average. Most players won’t help you in 4 of the 5 standard scoring categories. Rollins batting average isn’t even that bad if you are a player who will draft many of these power hitters like his teammate Ryan Howard, Adam Dunn, Jack Cust, and many more big sluggers.
Yes, Rollins isn’t perfect.
Yes, he will upset you at time when he struggles
Yes, he may make you wish you didn’t draft him at times during the season.
Yes, Rollins is very streaky and inconsistent
But if you stick with Rollins he will reward you at the end of the season. His numbers are always pretty inconsistent during the season, but at the end of the season he will help you overall in 4 out of the 5 scoring categories because he always bounces back from his struggles during a season.
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